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The South African Competition Committee as called upon  by Abe Meyer on 03 November2008


Abe Meyer-Chairman
Tim Downing
MarynaStydom
Charles Swart
Basie Geldenhuys
Brad Kruger

Abe's email to the Committee 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 5:02 PM
Subject: Fwd: FYI All-Africa Pre-World Cup

Hi all(comp committee),

Been some time since we have required your help in a matter, the matter at hand is that Gaynor Schoeman's application to attend/enter the All Africa Pre-PWC event in Dec 2008 has been declined by Rob Manzoni, i have included Rob's email and some details below that i have done.

What we require from you is a short answer in the matter of the airspace and the use of the radio, there is a safety committee that will deal with the safety issues.

Can i ask you to please send me a response asap.

Thanks
Abe

 

Abes's viewpoint

 

Some details from my point of view (abe)

So according to this, they want to reject the application based on the fact that she "chatted" on a radio frequency during the All Africa open '07, and flew in the same air space as the comp.

Due to having some local knowledge of the flying sites in the western cape, SAHPA only has two (2) registured flying/radion frequency's to all Paragliding Pilots in the country and on a good day you can chat to the pilots flying at Lions Head more than 100km away and with two very popular summer flying Koring berg (with in flying distance) and then just 2km away from take off Esselsfontain!!!, so this does not realy hold ground as flee flying pilots should have the same rights to use these channels as comp pilots (i am assuming that she did not enter the '07 event?? -- confirmed from results on www.porterville.co.za) - since you are not aware of the comp pilots on a channel due to silince !!!

The next would be the 'airspace', correct me if i am wrong but a NOTAM is just that a 'Note To Air Man' stating that paragliding activity will take pleace in this area - not restricting any other activity just notifying, and as stated above the two other very popular sites 2km and 10km away, with the Koring berg site having no other alternative due to Restricted airspace other than to fly "into" the NOTAM area!!

So that only leaves the safety issue, that as stated is not the actual reason but makes up 90% of the document and, what was the date of the actual decline of application, since they quote things from her website almost into the future??

The sad thing about this is that many a foreign pilot might suffer that this comp not get Cat 2 status, due to this issue!!!

Regards
Abe

 

Maryna Strydom's viewpoint
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 6:36 PM
Subject: Re: FYI All-Africa Pre-World Cup

Aha, thanks Abe for the details in your most recent mail: i did wonder what I was supposed to do when you first cc'd me on the e-mails.
In my opinion Gaynor is not making it easy for people to trust her (saying one thing and wanting to do/doing another: not competing in comps/do mountain flying, then entering mountain-comps).  She seem to be antagonistic and wanting to make trouble, as far as I see from the details that I have read and heard about the subject.  It makes me wonder what her intentions are for entering the comp (is she intending to stick to rules and be amicable, or does she want to make it unpleasant for everyone involved).  I do not believe, however, that she should be banned from the Dec 2008 comp due to her indiscretions during the previous comp or because of her atitude - that was a comp in the past and should either be handled as a separate issue or seen as "the past".
A question comes to me as to why it is becoming an issue now, but she was not (prosecuted(?)) at that time.  She may face problems/reprimands/whatever for those previous indiscretions, but it should not have an effect on the Dec 2008 comp if she promises to stick to the rules, as far as I see it.  If she shows remorse and becomes amicable and easier to "live with", she will make her own life easier as well.  I think she owes an apology for her behaviour and attitude, and need to show and promise that she will not place the competition in a bad light or behave unsports(wo)man-like.

With regards to Rob Manzoni, I understand his opinion and can see why he is angry at Gaynor.  She is definitely not making it easy for people to be friendly with her, although I personally never had any issues with her.  However, one can not ban a person from a site because he/she admits of not liking it/being scared of it.  Many pilots I know of have been uncomfortable at certain sites, but that does not give the owner/manager of the site any grounds to ban the person from flying there - it comes down to the pilot admitting their fear to themselves and then either flying there to overcome their fear or opting to not fly at that site.  Rob may ban her from his house/lodge, which means she will not be able to attend functions/let someone download her GPS, but banning her from the comp will make an international scene out of a personal disagreement.
So finally: Gaynor should have the opportunity to enter the comp, but she definitely need to show to be serious about making an attitude and conduct adjustment.
Regards
Maryna
Basie's viewpoint
----- Original Message -----
To: Flygirl
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 8:49 AM
Subject: Re: FYI All-Africa Pre-World Cup

Gaynor
Any correspondence from your side to state your innocence or willingness to stick to the rules?
Before I see this reply there is no way that I can comment on Rob's letter as this would be a one sided affair and not equally fair to both parties.
Regards
Basie  
----- Original Message -----
From: Flygirl
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: FYI All-Africa Pre-World Cup

Thank you Basie
You are the only person who has asked me this question...
I can defend all allegations, but they were withdrawn this morning.  This is now the only reason Rob says he is banning me:
4. Ms Schoeman's irrational fear of Dasklip is the only reason she will not be allowed to compete in this December's event.
Emails below:
As my tracklogs will show:  True, I don't like flying on mountain ridges especially in the height of summer.  I choose to fly the foothills and the flatlands with only brief interludes on the mountains for launch, to gain height for a ridge crossing or pick up a turnpoint.  This is what I am comfortable with.
I have flown 5 international competitions in the past two years in this way:
 - XC Open Manilla 2007, Czech Open 2007; XC Open Piedrahita 2007; XC Open Peidrahita 2008; German Open 2008.
My results are viewable here  http://flygirl.co.za/content/section/38/302/
Not once have I broken any competition rules.  My relationship with all the Organisers, Meet Directors, Scorers and Site Owner (Manilla) is a close and happy one with much co-operation between all parties, without exception.  In the XC Open 2007 I was a Jurer which I think indicates my judgement is held in high regard on an international level.
Jaco Wolmarans (Co-Opt Western Cape SAHPA Rep)  Wayne Heuer (Overberg Paragliding Club Safety Officer) and Earl Valentine have all tried to set up a meeting with Rob and myself so we can talk this out face to face together.  I have agreed to this, still do, but Rob refused everyone.
Please let me know if you need anything further from me.
My thanks to all involved in trying to resolve this.
Gaynor
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: FYI All-Africa Pre-World Cup

Abe et al
If all allegations were dropped as stated below - then there could be no valid reason not to allow someone from taking part in this event especially if the only reason of not allowing her is because of "her irrational fear of Dasklip".
Being a comp organizer myself has made me a lot of friends and enemies - something that Rob must understand and take to bed....
Taking off on a different site is all together not fair to the other competitors and towards the organizers.
They must shake hands and agree not to bring this ridiculous mudslinging into the same arena as our beloved sport of paragliding.
Cheers
Basie
Kevin Storie forwarding Rob Manzoni's email to Abe Meyer re the declining of my entry to the Porterville Pre-Worlds 2008


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Dear Ms Schoeman,

Your application to participate in the All-Africa Pre-World Cup refers.

After consideration of the many relevant factors and issues, we regretfully must decline this application.

For the record, this decision is unrelated to previous issues which led to your being banned from the Lodge and from Dasklip. Lest you misinterpret this decision as having any personal bias, I will explain our reasoning.

During the last several years, you have expressed, many times, your increasing uneasiness - even anxiety - when flying near mountains. You are an avowed "flatland" flyer.

You are also on record as having expressed the view that the Dasklip site is unsafe - especially during competitive events in summer; and as recently as Monday, October 27th, you again expressed your fear of Dasklip, as the place that "represents all that terrifies me in mountain flying"... [Your weblog attached]

While you might not be aware of this - or might simply dismiss it as irrelevant hearsay; many of your friends (fellow pilots - with whom you recently have travelled to flying sites) have recounted their increasing impression that your fear has grown to proportions which prevent your launching even at 'safe' sites in very benign conditions. These individuals believe strongly that you can not yet be considered ready to participate safely in a competitive event at Porterville.
(This last information was not considered by us as a reason to disallow your entry - it merely served to confirm that our decision is a fair- and safe one; and to highlight the fact that your oft-expressed fear is common knowledge and clearly represents your current state of mind). You might do well to re-read (as I have) your many posts in which you discuss your fears.

Furthermore, your unreasonable refusal to comply with FAI's safety rules during the 2007 All-Africa Open are also a matter of public record. All of the the airborne competitors were witness to your repeated radio calls on the competition safety channel despite specific on-air admonitions from the Meet Director for you to desist, with the explanation that outside of emergencies and official task-related information (from launch or from the safety pilots), radio silence is imperative on the channel.

It was also explained to you (on more than one occasion during the 2007 event) that the FAI competition airspace was to be kept clear - that no non-competitors may occupy the event's airspace with the competitors. You dismissed this information as "personal opinion"; and ignored it - launching against our requests to the contrary, into the NOTAM-registered airspace from other locations.

Your airspace violations and refusal to comply with our repeated request for radio silence were regarded in a most serious light; and were reported to SAHPA.

Unfortunately, the SAHPA chairman (who was one of those competing - and who publicly discussed your poor radio conduct), in an attempt to defuse the "situation" which you had brought about, failed at the time to register my complaint with SAHPA. Since you also announced around this time (publicly on the "FlyCape" list - and other forums) that you were leaving paragliding, SAHPA was then reluctant to convene a disciplinary hearing to review your uncooperative conduct, given that the cost and time involved were unjustified, seeing that you were no longer involved in the paragliding community.

These last violations are indicative of your disregard for- and disdain of rules, irrespective of their origin; but especially if they originated from the Dasklip site-owner.

With this in mind, (and despite assurances from those who know you, that you had learned the error of your ways); your recent quite arrogant- and very public, announcements that you are preparing once again to violate the airspace of the All-Africa Pre-World Cup is most concerning. It has caused us to take the most unusual step of alerting the authorities of your intentions to ensure that your threats can not be carried out; and to ensure your removal should you attempt to do so.
This is all very distressing; and outside Manilla, Australia (where banned pilots were arrested for trespass) completely unprecedented in the paragliding world. We regard this as most unsporting behaviour; and we will take the matter officially to CIVL.

An international paragliding event is a very special affair, requiring much forethought, planning and organization. A CIVL Category 2 event is much more demanding. When this is coupled with the Pre-World Cup status, through which we hope to attract a full World Cup event to South Africa, the last thing an organizer wants is doubtful compliance or concerns about safety. Nor is an incident involving eviction by the police going to look good.

Given your oft-repeated and self-declared fear of mountains, and your specific terror at Dasklip; and considering your stated plans to violate te Pre-World Cup event's airspace, we believe that your participation in a competitive event there presents unacceptable risks - to yourself certainly; but also to the other competitors who rely on the discretion of the organizers in selecting- and vetting those flying the competition.

We believe that your decision to attend this event was governed more by the desire to "be there"; and to "make a point" against your banning than actually to compete in the flying. This situation would impose on you much (imagined) peer-pressure and stress; that would likely result in your launching despite your ingrained fear of the site.

Such situations are exactly those which must be avoided in aviation. Flying "for the wrong reasons" is a recipe for disaster - especially at a site which terrifies one; and at which many other pilots - unaware of the issues at play - assume that other airborne pilots possess the competence to match their apparent confidence. Flying in a world class competition, with all the stress and pressure which accompanies such an event requires a cool head and calm assessment of the task and weather.
A pilot like yourself, with known issues concerning mountains - and this mountain in particular - would be in the high-risk category just flying the site in any circumstances. When these fear-related issues are coupled with the high-stress environment during the launch phase of a Dasklip competition, nervous mistakes are far more likely; and every effort must be made on the part of an organizer to eliminate their possibility.

The decision to disallow your participation is, as you can see, a safety issue. With our concerns about your current level of preparedness, confidence and safety there is no way that we could allow your participation in this event. A competition is no place to attempt to start coping with ones fears.

Novices and less-experienced pilots at the event are not in the same category as you. Some of them may well be nervous at first but this is not the same thing. The site holds no irrational terror for them. They are also screened- and advised by us at the various pre-flight briefings; and they will also be subjected to the same rules and parameters which governed our decision on your ineligibility to attend this event.

No further discussion is necessary or possible; and no new, apparent circumstances can influence this decision. Our primary concern is safety; and further debate will not allay our fears for the general well-being and safety of the event.

I hope you find this explanation reasonable; and that you are able to look at yourself - and at the bigger picture as we have had to do.

Please do not belabour the point. This decision is final; and is not open to discussion or arbitration. We would ask you in addition, not to attempt to violate your banned status at this site. Your non-compliance in this, or in acceptance of our decision will be viewed in a very dim light.

Perhaps at some future date we may be persuaded that your skills and confidence (and your attitude towards rule-compliance) have matured sufficiently to allow your entry to Dasklip events.

Kind regards,

Rob Manzoni

Organizer & Meet Director: 2008 All-Africa Pre-World Cup


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